TRADUZIONE GIOV 1,1

Caro Armando,

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Mi puoi postare quello che dice LIDDEL e SCOTT su PROS+ACCUSATIVO e PARA+DATIVO?

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Non mi pare che il Lidell-Scott autorizzi a tradurre pros con "dentro". Comunque controlla tu:

B. WITH DAT., it expresses proximity, hard by, near, at, “ποτὶ γαίῃ” Od.8.190, 11.423; “ποτὶ γούνασι” Il.5.408; ποτὶ δρυσίν among the oaks, 14.398 (nisi leg. περί）“; πρὸς ἄκμονι χαλκεύειν” Pi.P.1.86; ποτὶ γραμμᾷ στᾶσαί τινα ib.9.118; ἄγκυραν ποτὶ ναΐ κρημνάντων ib.4.24; “δῆσαί τινα πρὸς φάραγγι” A.Pr.15; “νεὼς καμούσης ποντίῳ π. κύματι” Id.Th.210; “π. μέσῃ ἀγορᾷ” S.Tr.371; “π. Ἀργείων στρατῷ” Id.Aj.95; “π. πέδῳ κεῖται” Id.OT180 (lyr.); θακεῖν π. ναοῖς ib.20, cf. A.Eu. 855; “π. ἡλίου ναίουσι πηγαῖς” Id.Pr.808; “π. τῇ γῇ ναυμαχεῖν” Th. 7.34; ἐς μάχην καθίστασθαι π. (v.l. ὑπ᾽）“ αὐτῇ τῇ πόλει” Id.2.79; “τεῖχος π. τῇ θαλάσσῃ” Id.3.105; “αἱ π. θαλάττῃ πόλεις” X.HG4.8.1; τὸ π. Αἰγίνῃ στράτευμα off Aegina, Th.1.105; Αίβυες οἱ π. Αἰγύπτῳ bordering on . . , ib.104; τὸ π. ποσί that which is close to the feet, before one, S.OT130, etc.; θρηνεῖν ἐπῳδὰς π . . . πήματι over it, Id.Aj.582; αἱ π. τῇ βάσει γωνίαι the angles at the base, Euc.1.5,al.; “τὴν π. τῷ . . ιερῷ κρήνην” IG22.338.13, cf. SIG1040.15 (Piraeus, iv B. C.), al.
2. before, in the presence of, π. τοῖς θεσμοθέταις, π. τῷ διαιτητῇ λέγειν, D. 20.98,39.22; “ὅσα π. τοῖς κριταῖς γέγονεν” Id.21.18; “π. διαιτητῇ φεύγειν” Id.22.28.
3. with Verbs denoting motion towards a place, upon, against, “ποτὶ δὲ σκῆπτρον βάλε γαίῃ” Il.1.245, Od.2.80; “με βάλῃ . . ποτὶ πέτρῃ” 5.415, cf. 7.279, 9.284; “νῆας ποτὶ σπιλάδεσσιν ἔαξαν” 3.298, cf. 5.401; λιαζόμενον ποτὶ γαίῃ sinking on the ground, Il.20.420; “ἴσχοντες πρὸς ταῖς πόλεσι” Th.7.35.
4. sts. with a notion of clinging closely, προτὶ οἷ λάβε clasped to him, Il.20.418; “προτὶ οἷ εἷλε” 21.507; “πρὸς ἀλλήλῃσιν ἔχονται” Od.5.329; “προσπεπλασμένας . . π. ὄρεσι” Hdt.3.111; π. δμῳαῖσι κλίνομαι fall into the arms of . . , S.Ant.1189; “π. τινί” close to, Men. Epit.204.
II. to express close engagement, at the point of, “π. αὐτῷ γ᾽ εἰμὶ τῷ δεινῷ λέγειν” S.OT1169; engaged in or about, “π. τῷ εἰρημένῳ λόγῳ ἦν” Pl.Phd.84c, cf. Phdr.249c, 249d; “ἂν π. τῷ σκοπεῖν . . γένησθε” D.18.176; “ἀεὶ π. ᾧ εἴη ἔργῳ, τοῦτο ἔπραττεν” X. HG4.8.22; διατρίβειν or σχολάζειν π. τινί, Epicr.11.3 (anap.), Arist. Pol.1308b36 (but “π. ταῦτα ἐσχόλασα” X.Mem.3.6.6); “ὅλος εἶναι π. τῷ λήμματι” D.19.127; “π. τῇ ἀνάγκῃ ταύτῃ γίγνεσθαι” Aeschin.1.74; τὴν διάνοιαν, τὴν γνώμην ἔχειν π. τινί, Pl.R.500b, Aeschin.3.192; κατατάξαι αὐτὸν π. γράμμασιν, i.e. give him a post as clerk, PCair.Zen. 342.3 (iii B. C.); “ὁ π. τοῖς γράμμασι τεταγμένος” Plb.15.27.7, cf. 5.54.7, D.S.2.29,3.22; “ἐπιμελητὴς π. τῇ εἰκασίᾳ τοῦ σησάμου” PTeb.713.2, cf.709.1 (ii B. C.).
III. to express union or addition, once in Hom., ἄασάν μ᾽ ἕταροί τε κακοὶ π. τοῖσί τε ὕπνος and besides them sleep, Od.10.68; “π. τοῖς παροῦσιν ἄλλα” in addition to, A.Pr.323, cf. Pers.531, Xenoph.8.3. Emp.59.3; “ἄλλους π. ἑαυτῷ” Th.1.90; π. ταῖς ἡμετέραις [τριήρεσι] Id.6.90; “δέκα μῆνας π. ἄλλοις πέντε” S.Tr.45; “τρίτος . . π. δέκ᾽ ἄλλαισιν γοναῖς” A.Pr.774; κυβερνήτης π. τῇ σκυτοτομίᾳ in addition to his trade of leather-cutter, Pl.R.397e: freq. with neut. Adjs., π. τῷ νέῳ ἁπαλός besides his youth, Id.Smp.195c, cf. Tht. 185e; “π. τῷ βλαβερῷ καὶ ἀηδέστατον” Id.Phdr.240b; π. τούτοισι besides this, Hdt.2.51, cf. A.Pers.237 (troch.), etc.; rarely in sg., “π. τούτῳ” Hdt.1.31,41; π. τοῖς ἄλλοις besides all the rest, Th.2.61, etc.:—cf. the Advb. usage, infr. D.

Altro dizionario, il Thayer



Come ho detto questo traduttore sta "stoicheggiando". E' possibile sapere chi sarebbe?

Shalom