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  • !BlackDahlia!
    00 5/6/2006 8:36 PM
    EWTN MOZART MASS ENCORE HERE @ 12 NOON WESTERN TIME
    TOTALLY AGREE: MORE MOZART EFFECT, PLEASE!!! [SM=g27811] [SM=g27811]
  • !BlackDahlia!
    00 5/6/2006 10:08 PM
    ACTUALLY IT WAS A LITTLE AFTER 10 AM WESTERN TIME
    AFTER 12 NOON ON THE EAST COAST, OF COURSE [SM=g27817]
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    NanMN
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    00 5/6/2006 10:09 PM
    Mozart effect + Benedict effect = TOTALLY BEAUTIFUL, CLASSICAL MASS! More please, Papino. Much, much more!

  • mag6nideum
    00 5/7/2006 12:51 AM
    RE: Mozart-Messe
    SERIOUS REQUEST, please! RAI-International ignored the Mass, showed only the Swiss Guards on ST Peter's square, with small inserts of Papa at his window. BUT I wanted so much to see the Mass...can someone please direct us to a link for a video replay or is it too soon?
  • !BlackDahlia!
    00 5/7/2006 1:09 AM
    THE FIRST 2 LINKS THAT COME TO MIND ARE:
    www.vatican.va/news_services/television/multimedia/archivio_it.... LITTLE SLOW IN UPDATING I'M AFRAID... [SM=g27819] AND www.ktotv.com/html/benoitxvi.html...USUALLY THE BEST PLACE TO FIND PAPAL CONCERTS... [SM=g27822] KEEP AN EYE ON THESE 2 LINKS IN THE NEAREST FUTURE... [SM=g27817]
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    benefan
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    00 5/7/2006 1:55 AM
    Mag6,

    I think several of us missed the concert. EWTN's schedule indicates that it will replay the concert tonight at midnight Eastern Standard Time, whatever that equates to in S. Africa, if, in fact, EWTN is broadcast there. I just check KTO, which usually archives all the papal events, and this time they didn't. The Vatican website will probably eventually archive it but right now the English section only goes through March, I think, so it may be a while before they catch up. Sorry. I feel your pain.

  • !BlackDahlia!
    00 5/7/2006 3:07 AM
    RUSSI'S WEBSITE IS USUALLY PROMPTLY UPDATED W/ AUDIO&STUFF...
    benediktxvi.ru/zvuk/audio.html
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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/7/2006 3:28 AM
    Is there a separate concert at all? I understood from the press releases that the performances of the Zurich Orchestra, choir, etc. were all for the Pontifical Mass, and that they have done.
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    benefan
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    00 5/7/2006 3:52 AM


    Sorry, Teresa. We were talking about the Mass this morning for the Swiss Guards. I mistakenly referred to it as "concert" in my last post. Blame it on forum fatigue.



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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/7/2006 10:51 AM
    CARDINALS SCHOENBORN & OUELLET WERE NEVER RATZI'S STUDENTS
    Budwud in the RFC e-mailed me to say I erroneously stated somewhere that Cardinals Schoenborn and Ouellet were former students of Joseph Ratzinger. Here is her correction, and I thank her for the information:
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    In fact, Cardinal Ouellet was never a student of Joseph Ratzinger. Rather, he received his doctoral degree at the Gregorian in Rome under the mentorship of Hans Urs von Balthasar. It was through his association with von Balthasar that he came to know Cardinal Ratzinger in Rome. That led to Cardinal Ouellet, along with Father Joseph Fessio, Christoph Schonborn and Father Jacques Serrais, S.J. founding the Association de Lubac, Speyr, von Balthasar [ Casa Balthasar ] under the guidance of Cardinal Ratzinger during the years 1987-1989. Those four men would meet annually with Cardinal Ratzinger to discuss the running of Casa Balthasar but it had nothing to do with Ratzinger's Schulerkreis.

    As far as Christoph Schonborn goes . . . according to Father Vincent Twomey who was a doctoral student of Joseph Ratzinger's in Regensburg at the same time as Father Fessio, Christoph Schonborn was never a student of Joseph Ratzinger either. Father Twomey says that Schonborn attended one of Ratzinger Colloquies for two semesters as a visiting academic from the University of Freiburg and it wasn't until after 1978 when Ratzinger had become Archbishop of Munich that his real association with the Cardinal began. Aterwards, Schonborn did start to attend the meetings of the Schulerkreis but as a guest.

    I hope that you find this information useful and don't mind me pointing it out for you by way of a personal message.

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  • SimplyMe
    00 5/7/2006 5:12 PM
    Re: CARDINALS SCHOENBORN & OUELLET WERE NEVER RATZI'S STUDENTS

    Scritto da: TERESA BENEDETTA 07/05/2006 10.51
    Budwud in the RFC e-mailed me to say I erroneously stated somewhere that Cardinals Schoenborn and Ouellet were former students of Joseph Ratzinger. Here is her correction, and I thank her for the information:
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    Father Twomey says that Schonborn attended one of Ratzinger Colloquies for two semesters as a visiting academic from the University of Freiburg and it wasn't until after 1978 when Ratzinger had become Archbishop of Munich that his real association with the Cardinal began.



    I'd just want to mention that both Cardinals Schonborn and Ratzinger have known each other for 33 years (by year 2005). So, it cannot be only after 1978 that they got well connected. This info comes direct from the mouth of Cardinal Schonborn himself in a French TV interview just after papal election in 2005.

    This being said, I am always glad that these 2 cardinals are Papa's friends because they are of as great a personality as Papa. Both are just as humble and intelligent as Papa.

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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/7/2006 6:06 PM
    CARS ON THE PIAZZA

    After the Ferraris, which 'zoomed' to St. Peter's Square last
    Sunday for the Regina CEeli prayers with the Pope, today it was the turn of the Duetto, the 'spider' of Alfa Romeo.

    At the end of today's Regina Caeli, Benedict XVI greeted some 60 Duetto owners who came with their cars.

    He also greeted all who came to participate in the celebration of the 500th anniverary of the Swiss Guard, which swore in 32 new members yesterday.


  • mag6nideum
    00 5/7/2006 8:50 PM
    RE: Schoenborn
    Thanks to Budwud. I also had the erroneous impression that Cardinal Schoenborn is an ex-Ratzinger student.
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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/7/2006 8:59 PM
    PAPAL SECURITY
    Ratzi-Lella in the main forum posted an interview by Swiss-Info in Rome with Elmar Maeder, commander of the Pontifical Swiss Guard, during which two following two questions were asked about Papal security:

    The Pope must have contact with the faithful and he has shown himself quite open in this respect. How does that complicate your work?
    When a person becomes Pope, I assume he has developed great trust in God. A Pope is certainly not the easiest person in the world to protect. I would imagine that the President of the United States would be more amenable to security recommendations in this sense.

    The Pope has to carry out his role. Imagine a Pope who is behind armored glass – he can be seen but the effect will not be the same. He should be able to shake hands and speak with people – these personal contacts must continue to be possible. And this means that oine must make certain concessions regarding security. Absolute security is not possible for the Pope.

    The Swiss Guard are responsible for the Pope’s security. How credible are they?
    It may appear that we serve more to give a dash of color and render honorific service only. But we spend 80% of our time on guard duty and only 8% in honorific duties. We wear the traditional uniform even for guard duty, because it creates a friendly atmosphere. I don’t think a standard military uniform would be appropriate, because we would look too military!

    For the personal protection of the Pope we only use trained cadres because it requires experience, training and ability to evaluate situations instantly, as well as techniques of self-defense. This training is carried out in Switzerland in collaboration with the Army. We keep ourselves abreast and are in the forefront of international security services.

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  • mag6nideum
    00 5/7/2006 9:53 PM
    Warm thanks [and something else]
    Thanks to BlackDahlia, Benefan and others for info on links to Mozart Mass. Very sweet of you girls.

    Although RAI International had the opportunity not to ignore yesterday's Mozart/papal Mass, they did just that. And today (Sunday) they televised the Sunday Mass from the town called Palestrina, not far from Rome. This is the birth place of Giovanni Pierluigi (da Palestrina), better known as "Palestrina", the great Renaissance composer of church music.
    Naturally I was excitedly looking forward to see the church where he sang in the choir as a young boy and where he worked before leaving for Rome and the different positions he held there. I expected to hear fine church music in the "home temple" of Palestrina, especially since the Mass was going to be televised for a global audience and a "Spiel" was made by the TV programme presenter about the music-historical importance of this basilica and town.
    The exact opposite happened. Poor Palestrina would have pulled out his hair... The regular choir sang with the accompaniment of two guitars played by a nun and a teenage boy; constantly out of tune. The choir was perhaps the worst I've heard from Italy in the past year of following every Sunday Mass on TV. And the anonomous musical settings were ....well, terrible. Absolutely the worst trash imaginable. The irony of it all, the near-horror I felt, made me burst out in tears.

    I told myself that I was wrong to feel like this. God looks into the hearts of the singing faithful, the guitar plucking nun and partner, and THAT is the important thing. This is how I've been rationalising for a long time already, also telling myself it is sinful of me to place such a high premium on something that is perhaps extrinsic to the real mystery of the Mass - etc. etc. etcetera!

    But, still, if Bolivia (another thread's story posted by Teresa)can manage to transcend difficult circumstances, a first world country (Italy) has no excuse to puke on the tradition or, at least, the standards set by the "Prince of Church Music", Palestrina, in the church and town where his spirit still hovers and where they cash in when musical pilgrim-tourists visit the town Palestrina.

    A token gesture to Palestrina was made by a chamber choir (perhaps a guest choir) who woodenly sang one work by the master (his famous setting of Psalm 42) while the congregation lined up for the Eucharist. After the Ite, Missa est, the pathetic two guitars started up again.

    I'm just getting this off my chest, because I feel RAI could - in stead of this exceedingly ugly service - have shown the Mozart Mass with Papa, and contributed to the spiritual uplifting of millions of global viewers.

    [SM=x40799] Three cheers for Bolivia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • !BlackDahlia!
    00 5/7/2006 10:27 PM
    ...- in stead of this exceedingly ugly service...MAG6: Totally agree w/ you:
    GENERALLY, DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING GOOD FROM RAI [SM=g27812] [SM=g27812] WHEN IT COMES TO CULTURE W/ CAPITAL C... [SM=g27812] [SM=g27812] Very sad, but true... [SM=g27813] [SM=g27813]
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    benefan
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    00 5/7/2006 11:05 PM

    Mag6,

    I am so sorry you not only missed the Mozart Mass but had to deal with the guitar and off-key choir of the Palestrina Mass. Fortunately, they probably don't have banjos in Italy. However, you were so graphic in your description that I couldn't help but laugh several times reading your post. Sorry. I've been told many times that I have a morbid sense of humor. I guess it kicked in while reading about your unhappy experience. It's just that when you mentioned the guitar-plucking nun, "Cumbaya" started running through my mind. I realize that as a former choir director at a university, you have a more refined sense of good music than most of us and it must be excruciating to listen to great music being throttled to death. I sincerely hope that the Vatican website uploads the Mozart Mass abnormally quickly so you can salve your wounded ears with its beauty. In the meantime, perhaps a bit of whiskey would numb the pain.
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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/7/2006 11:25 PM
    A BIT OF WHISKEY? YOU ARE HILARIOUS, BENEFAN!!! And then, Mag6, having had your swig of rye to wash away the bitter taste of RAI, put on a good CD of Palestrina and it will all go away!
  • mag6nideum
    00 5/7/2006 11:36 PM
    Thank you Benefan and Dahlia
    ....hehehehe I feel like a criminal when I sit on a complaining-about-the-liturgy heap like Job, scratching myself with whatever he used (pot shards?)...sorry.....but Benefan, remember, there was only one piece of "real" music (the Palestrina Ps.24). The rest of the Missa Ordinarium movements sounded like music composed for dancing poodles in a circus. That's what's so "wrong" in my opinion. [SM=g27837]
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    TERESA BENEDETTA
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    00 5/8/2006 12:17 AM
    But Mag6, that's what they're doing - "composing" "music" for circus poodles or the equivalent, because it's their idea of music! The basic problem with all the 'new liturgy" advocates whose mantra is "I'm expressing myself! Who's to argue with me?" - like the "primacy of conscience" militants ("I'm following my conscience", as though an uninformed or arbitrarily defined 'conscience' were the absolute authority)- is the ME!ME!ME!MENTALITY, where personal norms and desires take precedence over everything else, as a certain cardinal so memorably denounced on April 18, 2005.

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