The year of the Lion?

Hey can "we" collectively start a campagin to get Diego a history
book? Maybe start a collection? You know one with maps and pictures
in it. Diego seems to think that if a nation has changing borders and
circumstances it's not really a nation state? Particularly Israel?
Diego, where should I begin? The US in the first part of the 19th
century had constantly changeing borders. Poland throug the 19th and 20th centuries constantly had changeing borders.

Yet this is actually besides the point, in reality thier are borders in Israel, thier just disputed. Diego try and cross from Syria into
the Golan and tell me thiers no border, or from Leabanon into Israel.
Or try and jump that fence from Gaza into the Negev. And tell me thiers no borders?!

Diego seems to think that Jews don't really "past mustard" on being
a "nation"? Hello Diego, have you heard of Hebrew? I read it everyday. I"ts a Jewish langauge. Might I point out that the Paletinains don't seem to have a distictive langage. Ties to the land
Diego I read the Torah daily it"s , 2 thousand years old. I'ts filled
with acconts of Jews living, working and ruleing in Palestine. Seems
plenty to tie us to the land.

What a stupid comment - or should I say the usual Zionist whining - attacking the person instead of having some rational dialogues, backed-up by some historical facts.

Palestine has been there for more than 10,000 years. Canaanites settled there during 3,000 - 2,500 BC. Israelite occupied it in 1250 BC. After the death of king Solomon (928), his kingdom was divided amongst his two sons. One son kept the name Judea, but the other son changeed Samara to ‘Israel’. Assyrian destroyed the kingdom of Israel in 721 BC. Kingdom of Judah was destroyed by Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar in 586 BC, who took over 25,000 Israelites as slaves to Babylon and demolished the Temple of Solomon. Persians conquered Babylonia in 539 BC and allowed Israelites to return and construct a new temple. In 63 BC, Palestine was incorporated into the Roman Empire. Roman Emperor Titus demolished the second temple in 70 CE. During 330-638 CE, Palestine came under Christian Byzantine rule. Islam's second Khalifa Omar ibn al-Khattaab took control of Jerusalem and ended the Byzantine rule in 638 CE. Palestine remained under the rule of Muslim Umayyad Khalifas in Damascus, who constructed the Dome of the Rock ('Abd al-Malik, 685-705) and Al-Aqsa in its current shape (al-Walid, 705-715). From 750-1258 CE, Palestine was administered from Baghdad by Muslim Abbasid Khalifas. The Mamluks succeeded the Ayyubis in 1260 CE. Palestine was incorporated into the Ottoman state and administered from Istanbul from 1516-1917 CE.

First Zionist settlement (Petach Tiqva) established under the guise of agricultural community in 1878 CE. 25000 illegal European Zionist immigrants entered Palestine during 1882-1903 CE. French Baron E. de Rothschild started backing Zionists activities in Palestine financially in 1882 CE. In 1896 CE Theodor Hertzl published "Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State)", advocating the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine or elsewhere. Second wave of 40000 d the Jewish percentage to 6% of the total population, but still owned less than 3% of land. In November 1917, the Britian's Jewish foreign secretary, Lord Balfour wrote the infamous "Balfour declaration", throwing support towards establishing a Zionist state in Palestine, as a mean of solving the "Europe’s Jewish Problem". Since then, the Arabs have been paying for the crimes of both Jews and European Christians.

Shaukat, doesn't your "reply to me" actually back me up? By your own
admission Jews have dominated the Palestinian area at least 3 times.
Ist temple, area. 2nd temple and now with Zionist Israel. If that
doesn't traslate into devotion to the land what does? If that doesn't prove to you that Jews are indeed an indegiounous people to Israel what could? What other evidence could you demand?

Lets talk about the Palestinians, you claim that their descendants of Caanaan and Phillistians? What exactly is the connection? They don't speak the same langauge as either Canan or the Philistines.
As oppossed to Jews who indeed speak Hebrew. A langage used since the time of the Torah. Where are the cultural connections or traditions that a Palestinian can point to to lay claim that they are descentands of any anceint people of Palestine?

As a matter of curiosity why would it be "illegal" for Jews to re-
seettel Palestine as Jews, with the goal of establishing a Jewish state?

Read my response without your low Zionist IQ. Those people were not called Jews but ISRAELITE. They took the name JEW after the death of King Solomon - after the Kindom of Judea, which was destroyed in 586 CE - Which means that Israelites were either expelled or lived in a very small minority for over 2500 years. Now, there are more Arab Muslims and Christians are descendents of those Israelites than the present-day Jews, who are 90% Khazarian Mongols, who converted to Christianity in tenth century CE.

Now, here is some THOUGHT for your low IQ to ponder - WHY JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM SO MANY COUNTRIES?

YEAR _______________ PLACE
70------------------------------Jerusalem
132-35-------------------------Bar Kochba
250 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
379-95-------------------------“Unconverted” Jews expelled from Spain.
415 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Clement (France)
561 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1096 --------------------------- Crusades: 12,000 Jews killed in Germany.
1121 --------------------------- “Unconverted” Jews expelled from Belgium.
1181 --------------------------- Jews expelled from France by King Philip
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1189 --------------------------- British Crown lays claim to Jewish possessions
1290 --------------------------- All but 16,000 Jews expelled from England
1298 --------------------------- 140 European Jewish communities destroyed.
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1593 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg, Austria
1597 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Frankfort
1615 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Worms
1619 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kiev
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Ukraine
1648 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Poland
1649 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hamburg
1654 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Oran (North Africa)
1669 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1670 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vienna
1712 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sandomir
1727 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1738 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurtemburg
1740 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague, Bohemia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1744 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Livonia
1745 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moravia
1753 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bordeaux
1772 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1789 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alcace
1804 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages in Russia
1808 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lubeck & Bremen
1815 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bremen
1843 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Area in the U.S. under Grant's Jurisdiction
1866 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Galatz, Romania
1880s - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Russia
1891 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Moscow
1919 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nazi Controlled Areas

Well, most people would answer that because most of them were very destructive people like Zionists of today.

The answer to your question is simple, thier anti-Semites and they don't like Jews. All the more resone why thier should be a Jewish/
Zionist state. if for nothing more then to protect Jewish life and limb, right? Can't help but notice you didn't list the Jews expelled
from arab/muslim countries. Yemen, Iraq, and Egypt.

Shaukat I keep telling I actually read the book, "the Thirteen Tribe"
I'ts just this onemans theory that the European Jews are deceanded from the Khazan. I'ts a theory. Thats it. Thiers never been any-follow up on the book. And thiers never been any evidence on the theory. Nothing archeological, nothing linquesticly, and nothing weitten down from any text that the Jews from europe, took a long hike from central asia to Russia.

Might I add i'm not afraid, to answer any specific topical question.
I can't help but notice from your long "ramble" that you don't answer
any of mine. For example you claim that the Palestinains are descentands of Canaan and the Philistimes or are the "real" descendants of Jews from the area. Where the connection? What cultural trait can you point to as evidence of this?

Same old Zionist crap - or should I say BS!!!!

As I wrote earlier - 90% of 13.5 million Jews are not SEMITES - but Mongolian KHAZARS. There are more Arab Muslims and Christian SEMITES than those European homicidal horde occupying Palestine - PERIOD.

I love the way Zionist thugs quickly call "anti-Semite", anyone who question their propaganda lies - whithout realizing that the biggest know "anti-Semite" have been Zionists themselves. For example:

"Each country can only absorb a limited number of Jews, if she doesn't want disorders in her stomach. Germany has already too many Jews," - Theodor Herzl, founder of Jewish Zionism

"Jews are stooped, despondent people, living in filth. The’re a clump of Asia in the middle of Europe, and as a separate body, they are one big hunchback," - Israel Joshua Singer

"The Jews is everywhere a guest, nowhere at home, moving like a ghost from one country to another, an alien body; he is half-dead, struck with sickness of wandering," - Pinsker

"Jews are rootless and restless people, living a false and perverted existence," - Klatzkin

"Anti-Semitism is an understandable reaction to Jewish defects," - Chaim Weisman, first president of Israel.

"Jewish life is a dog's life that evokes disgust," - Frishman

"Jews are not a nation, not a people, not human," - Berdichevsky

"Jews are gypsies, filthy dogs, inhuman wounded dogs," - Brenner

"Jews are parasites, people fundamentally useless," - A.D. Gordon

"Jews are slaves, harlots, the baset uncleaniless, worms, filth, rootless parasites," - Schawadron.

(Source: The Ruin of the Soul, by Yehezkel Kaufman)

Shaukat, you see this is the problem with getting all your info,
from the internet. The internest is notoriously unreliable. I must admite i'ts "cute" how you pretended to put a footnote at the bottom of your reply. Let me cue you in Shaukat, thats the purpose of a footnote. To be looked up. Yes their was a Yehezkal Kaufman and no,
he never wrote a book or article called "the ruin of the soul".
Shaukat you really got to get into a library one of these days.

Yet this is actually beside the point isn't it? You wrote out a number of anti-semitic qoutes. Some true, some out of context and
many made up from the anti=semitic sites you look up (Jewish Tribal
Reveiw). The actual point is do you, Shaukat beleive what the
qoutes say? "Jews are filthy", "Jews are filthy dogs" , Jews are
harlots", ect. ect. you get the idea.

I'ts one thing to post the qoutes, yet do you Shaukat agree with the
qoutes? If so why?

Is anyone else questioning your low IQ that you have to highlight my name????

If internet is so bad for giving me information - why're you keeping your butts next to it for most of the day????

Shaukat, the interneat is what you perceive it is. For you if it is
a anti-semitic web-site, no matter what it says, for you it is "solid
rock" fact?! If the Jewish Tribal Reveiw, stated that all Jews are greedy and are part of a global banking conspiracy you'd sagely
nod your head up and down agreeing. If the Jewish Tribal Reveiw said
that all Jews are communists, again you'd sagely nod your head up and down agreeing dispite the contradiction.

For me the internate is entertainment, a leg up on TV. Mildly in-tereasting not to be taken too seriously. Lets get to the point Shaukat to me, you are far from threat, your a source of mild
entertainment. Mildly entertaining, not to be taken seriously.

I don't know about you Shaukat, any person even lightly perveying
this fourm would notice your name all over it not mine. I actually
work for a living. The idea of me just commenting on the internate would represent a real nice relaxing day for me, with my work schedule that would be a very rare day indeed.

Instead of 'relaxing' in front of internet - it would do you more good if Abe Foxman agree to pay your tution fee to uplift your very low IQ.