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la Russia si pappa la Georgia

Ultimo Aggiornamento: 12/08/2008 23:35
11/08/2008 20:18
 
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sempre per il solito motivo: petrolio ed oleodotti
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Georgia on my mind
la Russia sta occupando la Georgia per cambiare regime e controllarla per i suoi interessi, così la pensano i georgiani

secondo i russi invece, le loro truppe sono intervenute per difendere le popolazioni civili ossetiane e abkhaze dall'aggressione georgiana

l'oleodotto dal Caspio alla Turchia via Georgia è importante per le misere entrate dello stato georgiano e sarebbe destinato a far transitare 1 milione di barili di petrolio al giorno nel 2009

il presidente georgiano Saakashvili non è una verginella

è stato lui ad attaccare la Ossezia meridionale forse per provocare la NATO, dato che solo il suo sostenitore Bush è favorevole all'ingresso della Georgia nell'Alleanza Atlantica e l'ha fatto prima che Bush esca di scena e magari pensando che il mondo distratto dalle Olimpiadi avrebbe tollerato la sua mossa

secondo i russi ci sarebbero stati 2.000 morti civili ossetiani mentre secondo i georgiani solo qualche centinaia, soprattutto militari

i russi accusano la Georgia e gli USA di genocidio contro l'Ossezia del sud

secondo il presidente georgiano la Russia ha fatto di tutto per provocare questa aggressione nonostante i vari tentativi di trovare una soluzione al problema delle enclavi dell'Ossezia e Abkazia esperite da tempo dalla Georgia stessa

Putin vorrebbe mostrare i muscoli e spaventare tutte le ex repubbliche sovietiche, Ucraina inclusa dal prendere le distanze dalla Russia e cercare alleanze europee o all'interno della NATO

l'Ucraina minaccia la marina russa di non concedere i suoi porti alle navi russe
gli stati baltici fanno la voce grossa perchè temono futuri interventi russi dalle loro parti

e dopo la vicina Cecenia, ridotta ad un colabrodo per motivi analoghi (gli oleodotti russi), adesso la storia si ripete in Georgia


c'è da aggiungere che in Ossezia del sud e Abkhazia vicina vivono parecchi russi e che gli ossetiani e abkhazi hanno passaporto russo

ci sono forze di peace-keeping per queste enclavi costituite da russi, georgiani e ossetiani, ma pare che le forze russe siano coinvolte nella guerra piuttosto che svolgere la loro funzione di pacieri

la Georgia è stata armata dagli israeliani e americani e questi ultimi stan facendo rientrare le truppe georgiane dall'Iraq su aerei americani per dar man forte in patria

questa è un'altra fase della guerra del petrolio iniziata in Iraq da Bush padre e figlio e della guerra russa in Cecenia

il motivo è sempre quello: petrolio e oleodotti
beati i paesi piccoli che non ne dispongono perchè avercelo significa guerra e distruzione
il grande si pappa il piccolo
l'Europa e gli USA strepiteranno ma i russi continueranno fino alla fine come già proclamato e come presto attuato, prima che Sarkozy in arrivo da Parigi si metta attorno ad un tavolo per discutere con Putin su fatti probabilmente già conclusi
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11/08/2008 20:52
 
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interessante il punto di vista del presidente georgiano
dal WALL STREET JOURNAL

As I write, Russia is waging war on my country.

On Friday, hundreds of Russian tanks crossed into Georgian territory, and Russian air force jets bombed Georgian airports, bases, ports and public markets. Many are dead, many more wounded. This invasion, which echoes Afghanistan in 1979 and the Prague Spring of 1968, threatens to undermine the stability of the international security system.


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An apartment building, damaged by a Russian air strike, in the northern Georgian town of Gori, Saturday, Aug. 9.
Why this war? This is the question my people are asking. This war is not of Georgia's making, nor is it Georgia's choice.

The Kremlin designed this war. Earlier this year, Russia tried to provoke Georgia by effectively annexing another of our separatist territories, Abkhazia. When we responded with restraint, Moscow brought the fight to South Ossetia.

Ostensibly, this war is about an unresolved separatist conflict. Yet in reality, it is a war about the independence and the future of Georgia. And above all, it is a war over the kind of Europe our children will live in. Let us be frank: This conflict is about the future of freedom in Europe.

No country of the former Soviet Union has made more progress toward consolidating democracy, eradicating corruption and building an independent foreign policy than Georgia. This is precisely what Russia seeks to crush.

This conflict is therefore about our common trans-Atlantic values of liberty and democracy. It is about the right of small nations to live freely and determine their own future. It is about the great power struggles for influence of the 20th century, versus the path of integration and unity defined by the European Union of the 21st. Georgia has made its choice.

When my government was swept into power by a peaceful revolution in 2004, we inherited a dysfunctional state plagued by two unresolved conflicts dating to the early 1990s. I pledged to reunify my country -- not by the force of arms, but by making Georgia a pole of attraction. I wanted the people living in the conflict zones to share in the prosperous, democratic country that Georgia could -- and has -- become.

In a similar spirit, we sought friendly relations with Russia, which is and always will be Georgia's neighbor. We sought deep ties built on mutual respect for each other's independence and interests. While we heeded Russia's interests, we also made it clear that our independence and sovereignty were not negotiable. As such, we felt we could freely pursue the sovereign choice of the Georgian nation -- to seek deeper integration into European economic and security institutions.

We have worked hard to peacefully bring Abkhazia and South Ossetia back into the Georgian fold, on terms that would fully protect the rights and interests of the residents of these territories. For years, we have offered direct talks with the leaders of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, so that we could discuss our plan to grant them the broadest possible autonomy within the internationally recognized borders of Georgia.

But Russia, which effectively controls the separatists, responded to our efforts with a policy of outright annexation. While we appealed to residents of Abkhazia and South Ossetia with our vision of a common future, Moscow increasingly took control of the separatist regimes. The Kremlin even appointed Russian security officers to arm and administer the self-styled separatist governments.

Under any circumstances, Russia's meddling in our domestic affairs would have constituted a gross violation of international norms. But its actions were made more egregious by the fact that Russia, since the 1990s, has been entrusted with the responsibility of peacekeeping and mediating in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Rather than serve as honest broker, Russia became a direct party to the conflicts, and now an open aggressor.

As Europe expanded its security institutions to the Black Sea, my government appealed to the Western community of nations -- particularly European governments and institutions -- to play a leading role in resolving our separatist conflicts. The key to any resolution was to replace the outdated peacekeeping and negotiating structures created almost two decades ago, and dominated by Russia, with a genuine international effort.

But Europe kept its distance and, predictably, Russia escalated its provocations. Our friends in Europe counseled restraint, arguing that diplomacy would take its course. We followed their advice and took it one step further, by constantly proposing new ideas to resolve the conflicts. Just this past spring, we offered the separatist leaders sweeping autonomy, international guarantees and broad representation in our government.

Our offers of peace were rejected. Moscow sought war. In April, Russia began treating the Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as Russian provinces. Again, our friends in the West asked us to show restraint, and we did. But under the guise of peacekeeping, Russia sent paratroopers and heavy artillery into Abkhazia. Repeated provocations were designed to bring Georgia to the brink of war.

When this failed, the Kremlin turned its attention to South Ossetia, ordering its proxies there to escalate attacks on Georgian positions. My government answered with a unilateral cease-fire; the separatists began attacking civilians and Russian tanks pierced the Georgian border. We had no choice but to protect our civilians and restore our constitutional order. Moscow then used this as pretext for a full-scale military invasion of Georgia.

Over the past days, Russia has waged an all-out attack on Georgia. Its tanks have been pouring into South Ossetia. Its jets have bombed not only Georgian military bases, but also civilian and economic infrastructure, including demolishing the port of Poti on the Black Sea coast. Its Black Sea fleet is now massing on our shores and an attack is under way in Abkhazia.

What is at stake in this war?

Most obviously, the future of my country is at stake. The people of Georgia have spoken with a loud and clear voice: They see their future in Europe. Georgia is an ancient European nation, tied to Europe by culture, civilization and values. In January, three in four Georgians voted in a referendum to support membership in NATO. These aims are not negotiable; now, we are paying the price for our democratic ambitions.

Second, Russia's future is at stake. Can a Russia that wages aggressive war on its neighbors be a partner for Europe? It is clear that Russia's current leadership is bent on restoring a neocolonial form of control over the entire space once governed by Moscow.

If Georgia falls, this will also mean the fall of the West in the entire former Soviet Union and beyond. Leaders in neighboring states -- whether in Ukraine, in other Caucasian states or in Central Asia -- will have to consider whether the price of freedom and independence is indeed too high.

Mr. Saakashvili is president of Georgia.

11/08/2008 21:30
 
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ed il punto di vista dei russi da RUSSIATODAY
Major part’ of peace mission completed – Medvedev
Russia has accomplished a significant part of its mission to restore peace to the breakaway Georgian republic of South Ossetia, says President Dmitry Medvedev. He said a reinforced peacekeeping contingent is now fully in control of the region's capital Tskhinvali.

In a Kremlin meeting with Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov on Monday, Medvedev said: "A major part of the operation to force the Georgian side and the Georgian authorities to peace in South Ossetia has been completed”.

The President went on to say: “Tskhinvali is under the control of a strengthened Russian peacekeeping contingent."

Deputy Head of the Russian General Staff, Colonel General Anatoly Nogovitsin, told journalists that Russia is attempting to contain the conflict and prevent it from spilling over into Georgia’s other breakaway republic, Abkhazia, or into Russian territory. To watch the full press conference, click here.

In another development, the director of Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), Alexandr Bortnikov, said on Monday that nine Georgian spies had been detained. They are accused of planning terrorist acts in Russia.

Meanwhile there have been reports of renewed artillery fire coming from towns and villages surrounding the South Ossetian capital. Operations are under way to take control of strategic high points in the mountainous conflict zone.

Georgia says its forces have pulled out of the conflict zone but Russian military sources say they are still encountering resistance.

A constant flow of evacuees to neighbouring North Ossetia report that Georgian troops remain in the area and sporadic fighting continues.

The capital of the Russian republic of North Ossetia is struggling to cope with the influx of refugees and wounded civilians. Hospitals are overcrowded and medical staff are working overtime.

According to reports from Tbilisi, 45 Georgian soldiers and 40 civilians were killed in two days of violence in South Ossetia. Those figures contrast wildly with those released by South Ossetia and Russia, who say an estimated 2,000 people have lost their lives.
11/08/2008 21:32
 
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scusate i post in inglese che non è alla portata di tutti
volevo far vedere come mi creo le idee sui fatti internazionali
leggendo i diversi punti di vista
dagli interessati diretti in questo caso Georgia e Russia
i nostri giornali riportano punti di vista ambigui e poco obiettivi, purtroppo!
12/08/2008 22:32
 
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si, l'inglese non è per tutti.
Traduzione?
12/08/2008 23:35
 
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Re:
chiaralapazza, 12/08/2008 22.32:

si, l'inglese non è per tutti.
Traduzione?



potrei tradurre ma è un lavoro lungo
comunque ho messo nel post iniziale il sunto dei post inglesi


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