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Back from New York!
Aloha, everyone! I just got back from New York and encounters with the Holy Father! It was wonderful, needless to say. Our Benedict, at least in my estimation, was flawless in his messages, tone and demeanor everywhere he went. At least in New York, I failed to see any negative overtones.

Right now, I'm finishing the writeup for a "pilgrim's journal" for our local Catholic newspaper - it's a day by day, almost blow by blow from April 18 to April 21. I've gotten my photos written to CD so hopefully I can post those, too.

Glad to be back and I'm so proud of our Holy Father. He was so tender and compassionate with the victims of sexual abuse and with the 09/11 survivors - a true picture of reconciliation, compassion and hope.

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Welcome back, PapaBear.

Really looking forward to your diary and photos. We need to keep the glow of Papa's visit bright.

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EWTN still glowing!!!!
Benefan and everyone - EWTN has kept the glow of Papa's USA visit alive. They've been putting "Thank you" messages on the screen in between programmes and have also had several discussions in the aftermath of Papa's visit. The most important discussion was about the so-called "pro choice" members of Congress, who were seen receiving Communion at the Mass in Washington. Of course it isn't pro choice, as one of the priests on EWTN said some time ago, how can it be, when women say: "I had no choice...." These are women whose boyfriends have more or less ordered them to have an abortion for convenience's sake.

We've had something similar here, with our former PM, Tony Blair, voting for abortion at however many weeks it was - and then becoming a Catholic very quickly - with indecent haste! - after he left office.

But, to get back to Papa's visit - he really made an impact!!!! And EWTN already has five DVDs for sale!!!!!

And, Papabear, we are looking forward to seeing your photos!!!!!!!!
[Edited by maryjos 5/8/2008 7:50 PM]

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EWTN and coverage
EWTN ...
Yes, I've been re-watching the videos they've archived to hear Papa once again besides re-reading the texts.  I made a 3-ring binder of all the texts plus some photos for my Pastor, Fr Mike.  I often share articles with him and he said he wanted texts, so ......


And, I've ordered the DVDs, Mary.  I love to listen to something worthwhile before dropping off to sleep and, it's a good way to remember his words.



Re my photos ...
Teresa was so kind to post the link to my journal that was published in our Hawaii Catholic Herald diocesan newspaper and it has some of the best photos.  Please pardon my hair ... it looks fairly "wild" on the front photo.  Here's the link:

http://www.hawaiicatholicherald.org/Home/tabid/256/newsid884/1370/Default.aspx

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5/12/2008 8:08 PM
 
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Thank you, Papabear!!
A really remarkable journal and I'm so pleased it got into the newspaper. Lovely photos too! You must wonder now if it was all a dream!

Thank you for sharing all this with us and for choosing this forum. I'm sure I speak for everyone here.

Luff und choy, Mary xxxxxx

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Papabear, thank you for sharing your unforgetable time in the US with everyone. I'm glad things also went well with the dialysis, and I'm really happy for you and Teresa who could experience the excitement of this papal visit - which I could only watch from afar, mostly on a small screen. You and Teresa brought us perspectives that were not given on TV. Many thanks.
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Good to see you here again, Crotchet!
Yes, they were both super accounts, very different but both equally candid.
Good to have you back, Crotchet. I thought you had deserted us, but I'm really pleased you haven't. [SM=g27823] [SM=g27823]

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Hello!

I have to write this to sort of vent my frustration!!

We went to a wonderfu Holy Mass this morning (luckily, Corpus Domini is still a Holiday in Bavaria!).

I think I've mentioned our wonderful, polish Priest before. He was wonderful, today.
After Mass, we went on a small Procession. It was the first Procession in that Parish for more than 15 years!! [SM=g27812]

Anyway, it was very short, and basically only took place in the courtyard and the neighbouring street of the Church.
But, still, it was wonderful. Our Priest wore beautiful vestments and carried the montrance with reverence and dignity.

The sun came out, we sang wonderful songs and prayed. Stopped at four temprary altars and prayed some more, moved back into the Church and, after singing Grosser Gott, wir loben Dich (Holy God, we praise thy name) from the top of our lungs, with the churchbells booming at the same time, felt happy and grateful.

We had a small brunch afterwards in the community center, attached to the Church.
While having beer and pretzels, coffee and home-baked cakes, our Priest told us that some of the former members of our Parish had been lobbying for his replacement!!
I guess the kumbajah fraction is unhappy with the new, traditional ways the parish is run, and have been howling at Arch-Bishop Schick's doorstep!!! [SM=g27826] [SM=g27826]

They tried to boycot the plans for our Corpus Domini Procession and have laid down all their voluntary services, like cleaning, keeping the grounds, organizing the chior.. everything!! A total of 150 people!!

Their goal is the return of communion-in-a-bowl-handed-from-person-to-person, Priests in sweaters, instead of vestments. And closer relations to our protestant brothers. Those brothers, who had stopped any catholic procession in the past, because they felt 'offended'.
Since they outnumber catholics in our region. They had their ways for a long time.

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*loud, grumpy scream of frustration*

I really wish praying for those people would help, I'm afraid it won't do the trick, fully.
I've just written a letter to the Arch-Bishop in support of our Priest.

I still can't believe this!!!! I just CAN NOT believe this!!


Thanks, I do feel better, now...


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Dear Cowgirl,

I think all of us would be just as indignant! You've done what you can do... I know prayer does not always do the trick the way we want it, and God's will is inscrutable, but we can only go on praying. I hope your Archbishop is a fair and sensible pastor.

Meanwhile, take heart from the joy of occasions like today which are a source of great sacramental grace. God bless....

TERESA


[Edited by TERESA BENEDETTA 5/22/2008 3:14 PM]
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Totally in agreement with you, Cowgirl!
I read your account of today's Mass and procession and thought how beautiful it all must have been. Corpus Christi [or Corpus Domini] processions used to be held in every parish in England too. I don't know when the practice died out; not sure whether it was a direct result of the misinterpretation of Vatican II, because as you all know, I didn't become a Catholic until 1968.
As for those dreadful parishioners - I am almost speechless! Fancy asking for the previous priest to be re-instated, when you obviously have such a truly holy priest now. These people are not behaving in a Christian way at all!!!!! And a bowl of hosts being passed around - that is a serious liturgical abuse.
What a shame that these people are determined to spoil the beautiful parish life and liturgy you now have! And how mean and childish of them to resign from every bit of parish work! [SM=g27826] [SM=g27826]
I shall pray for your dear priest.
I'm glad you "got it off your chest" on the forum. It's something that Father Zuhlsdorf would love to hear about on his blog - I know he would.

With love and prayerful support - Mary xxxxxxx

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Well, here we are. Back to reality in Germany.

'Chruch from below' was successful with their defamation and hate-camgaign against our Priest. He was removed by Arch-Bishop Schick.

After being re-assured by the General-Vicar of Bamberg, last Sunday after a long confirmation Mass,our Priest received a LETTER!! on Thursday, informing him of his removal. A LETTER!!!
There was no talk, no warming. Nothing.
The Bishop never came to our Parish, nor did he send a represantive for a fist hand look.

All caused by a small, but powerful and relentless minority who was working against our Priest in such a cruel way, unworthy of a person claiming to be a Catholic.
There were threats made to involve the Press (we all know how eagerly the Press reports negative matters about the Church).
That group, which includes a few influencial members of our Community, blocked all outside Mass activities, made rude comments about Father Zorawski's heritage and even involved the protestant!! mayor of our City in their campaign. So much for the sparation of Church and state when it doesn't suit your agenda!!

I'm so absolutey shattered and confused about this.
How can I trust in this institution where Bishops seem more concerend about public relations than the pastoral care of their flock and their Priests!!

How can a Bishop, who was one of the candidates of the succession of Card. Lehmann as the head of the GBC, show such insensitivity!?

What does this tell me about or German Bishops!!?

This seriously presents a big problem for me. For my faith in the institution and it's hierachy.


I don't even know if I can return to this Church. The Parish-Church I was converted in.
How can I go back there and watch the whole thing go back to communioin in a bowl, save the world sermons and electric guitars.

I'm so furious and deeply saddened by this.. don't know what else to say..


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Cowgirl, this is such a blow, and I can only hope there is another church within convenient distance that you can attend in the meantime. I know the sentimental attachments won't be there but neither will the bad taste of this experience. And you would spare yourself of the liturgical travesties that are likely to happen now in your parish church.

I hope your parish priest is able to accept this injustice in the humble and forgiving spirit of Christ and that he will have a chance wherever he will be assigned next to do the same good that he did for your parish.

The other day, I posted a news report of an interview that the new head of the German Bishops, Mons. Zollitch, gave in Warsaw, in which he said that having a German Pope produced 'no miracles' in the German Church. Your experience shows that there are German bishops who remain as arogant as ever and think that they know better than the Church and the Vicar of Christ.

Therefore, the momentum that the German Church should have derived from the election of a German Pope, the Pope's visit to Cologne and then to Bavaria, appear to have all been wasted by such bishops, who failed to take advantage of any momentum because obviously, they don't want to change. And Zollitch, instead of making what seems to be a disparaging remark (even if it may be a statement of fact), should instead see why his bishops are failing to evangelize new people or even just to consolidate the Catholics who are still around - and do something about it.

We can only pray, and be sure that more than anyone, the Holy Father must be deeply saddened about the situation in his homeland and has his fellow Germans always in his prayers.

TERESA



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After being re-assured by the General-Vicar of Bamberg, last Sunday after a long confirmation Mass,our Priest received a LETTER!! on Thursday, informing him of his removal. A LETTER!!!


[SM=g27825] [SM=g27820] [SM=g27825] [SM=g27820] [SM=g27825] [SM=g27820] That is a truely sad situation. Your congregation is in my prayers. [SM=g27820] [SM=g27825] [SM=g27820] [SM=g27825] [SM=g27820] [SM=g27825]

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Cowgirl,

What a sad situation for you and others in your parish who benefitted from the piety and loyalty to the church that your Polish pastor displayed. I think it is more common here in the U.S. for Protestant church members to boot out their pastors than for Catholics but some lay people who are very active in their Catholic parishes succumb to notions of grandeur and think that THEY are the ones who should decide who gets to be their priest and how Mass should be conducted. Often, bishops here ignore this kind of agitation unless the priest does something illegal but occasionally they give in and move the priest to another parish.

If I lived in your parish, I would be REALLY upset and would probably go to another parish that is more loyal, not only in liturgical practices but in spirit, to the pope. That passing of the communion hosts around in a basket is sacriligious. Obviously, the ruling clique of parishoners at your present parish want a church made in their own image and likeness instead of one defined according to the rules of the Catholic Church. As for your bishop, there are a lot of losers in the episcopacy, as we have found out to our dismay here in the U.S. Not every church leader is strong enough or brave enough to fight for the truth like Joseph Ratzinger.

I think I would also try to write a letter of thanks to the Polish priest, explaining how much he has helped you in your journey of faith, and I might even send a copy of the letter to that bishop.

My prayers are with you, Cowgirl. Focus on Papa and what is good about the church, not on the weaklings who sometimes get all the attention.



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I will write a letter to our Priest. I hope to be able to see him before he moves on. He hasn't received a new assignment.
He was so wonderful and supportive during the time leading to my conversion. I'll never forget what he gave me and my family.

Going back to that Parish seems impossible. Even though this tragedy was caused by a minority who had not been attending Mass. I know they'll return in a gloating, satisfied manner which would prob. lead to me loosing my head and getting into an open confrontation.

I've been contemplating about checking out another Parish in our area. The same distance, called 'St. Augustine's' [SM=g27817] , which even seems to have a Latin Mass, occasionally.

I simply feel so bad for the wonderful, sweet, loving, dedicated, humble Priest, who never deserves aything but respect and appreciation for his services.
He's authentic and true, full of piety and resolve.

I'll pray for him to find comfort in Christ.

Thanks for your sweet words of support.
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Dear Cowgirl.....
Your Polish priest is obviously a holy man who is being tested, but I feel sure that, because he is also a strong character and loves Christ and the Church, he will come through all this. As for you and your fellow parishioners, you are shocked and unhappy. Take Benefan's advice she is right.
Try this other parish of Saint Augustine.One of the strengths of the Catholic Church is that it is the same everywhere [or it SHOULD be, unless you get priests like your new one, who indulge in liturgical abuses], so we can remain firm in our faith. Unfortunately I have come across people who have actually left the Church and gone to some protestant sect because of a particular priest. The Church has, throughout its 2,000 years, had many bad priests, even bad popes. This is because these men are only human. Sadly, some people such as Martin Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and others more recently, left the Church and set up their own churches. We must always keep the Faith.

I know how your former priest feels. I've been accused of being things which I'm not, but we just have to pray and keep going.

In my own parish we are weathering the storm of a rather crazy priest who calls the Eternal Father "Our Dad", before we start the Our Father on Sunday mornings - he's talking to the children who are playing "Ring a ring a roses" round the altar with him - and the Body and Blood of Christ are upon the altar. Yesterday he even added: "He is our Daddy..." I could despair, but I love the actual church and my friends there, so I'll keep going.

Let us know how things progress. Love and prayers,
Mary xxxxx

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Cowgirl
Your story is so depressing, it is enough to make anyone lose heart. In times like these we have to remember that this is God's church and not ours, so all we can do is place the situation in his hands and pray.

I echo Mary's suggestion of Fr Zuhlsdorf's blog. It one of the most widely-read blogs on the net, and he does focus on stories like yours, though usually in the USA.

This week we in the UK have had some nasty surprises from the Kumbaya lot. A politely worded internet petition requesting the bishops here to implement Summorum Pontificum has been sabotaged by some very sick folk who posted crude comments attacking 'traditionalists'. It's hard to believe these people are even Christian let alone Catholic. Fortunately the organisers can clean it up, but even so, one would expect more from people claiming to be Catholic. They seem to be keener on the prince of this world rather than the Prince of Peace.

I linked to the petition a couple of times here, the last being yesterday on News about the Church, but I'm afraid it may not have been seen as dollops of stuff from news agencies got uploaded after it. This is an ever present difficulty on this forum, but one has learned to live with it.

Meanwhile, you can only write to your bishop, and give lots of support to your old priest who sounds as if he'll appreciate it.

Welcome to the Catholic church!
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Pope Benedict annoyed at studied prelatial indifference?
Lori: I don't know about posting this in the News section because as Damian says it is a rumor. But I am very interested to know what our British friends think about this & what it might mean. And of course the non-British. [SM=g27822] Fr. Z's comments below are in italics.
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By Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

After the Big Mass at Westminster, I got on the horn and called across the pond to His Hermeneuticalness to get his take on what happened. Fr. Finigan was one of the deacons of honor for Card. Castrillon Hoyos’ Pontifical Mass.

One of the things he pointed out was that not a single bishop of the Diocese of Westminster was present in any capacity.

I suspect that was not because they didn’t want to make the rubrics more complicated.

Sometimes local prelates will stay away out of courtesy, so that their conspicous presence doesn’t detract from the guest prelate.

In this case, however, they were even more conspicuous by their absence.

Now I find this from Damian Thompson, who has been all over this story from soup to nuts.

Look at it here, but be sure to go over to Damian’s place and check the comments which will surely pile up.


Benedict ‘annoyed’ at bishops’ boycott
Posted by Damian Thompson on 19 Jun 2008 at 15:22

I don’t like passing on rumours, [And in fairness that is what this is, and he has clearly acknowledged it from the start.] as you know, but there are reports that Pope Benedict XVI is annoyed by the absence of a single bishop at the big Mass celebrated by Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos at Westminster Cathedral on Saturday.

Consider the facts. At the end of last year, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor opened up the throne room of Archbishop’s House so that the liberal Archbishop Piero Marini could launch a book containing a coded attack on the Pope’s liturgical reforms. The party was packed with “magic circle” bishops, monsignori and Tabletistas, all gushing away like crazy.

But when Cardinal Castrillon – head of Ecclesia Dei and a former Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy – celebrated a Pontifical High Mass in the cathedral, there were no other bishops present in the sanctuary and the Westminster Cathedral website has still made no mention of the event. [Can you say damnatio memoriae?]

Could this display of studied indifference have anything to do with the fact that Cardinal Castrillon was celebrating in the ancient Extraordinary Form of the Latin Mass?

Earlier in the day, the Cardinal had announced that the Pope wants to see the old liturgy made available in every parish in England and Wales. That’s a big story, don’t you think? [Yep. Pretty big.]

The Catholic Herald has led on it this week. The Tablet isn’t out yet, [It is now. Go here] but I can’t wait to see how it reports the latest development. Normally, the Bitter Pill plays down news that it doesn’t like – and boy, you should have seen the thunderous features of its deputy editor Elena Curti at the press conference! She practically performed a (liturgical) dance of rage. If only I had thought to capture it on my mobile…




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Dear Lori...I am not British at all, but it does not take a Brit to recognize a blatant act of discourtesy - double-bladed as to be an indirect defiance of the Pope as well - such as the Archbishop of Westminster committed on June 14, or whoever who woudl do something similar.

In fact, when I posted the first report about Cardinal Castrillon's Mass at Westminster in NEWS ABOUT BENEDICT on 6/16/08, I could not help make this comment:

One would think the Archbishop of Westminster and Primate of England, Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor, should at least have been present! More than just a breach of elementary courtesy, this also appears to emphasize the continuing resistance, if not outright hostility, of many UK prelates to the traditional Mass, not to mention their blatant 'dismissal' of a legitimate and well-founded decree by the Pope and Vicar of Christ, to whom they have vowed communion!

TERESA






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Discourtesy of English/Welsh bishops
This is on the front page of today's Catholic Herald. Of course it was discourteous of the bishops of England and Wales that not one of them was present at the High Mass celebrated by Dario Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos in Westminster Cathedral. Cormac Murphy O'Connor, who wasn't exactly a million miles away! was not present either. It was a snub and an nasty one. Their presence would in no way have detracted from that of the main celebrant; they could have sat inconspicuously in the choir, where some supportive priests were sitting.

I've already had enough of the negative attitude of our bishops, who hope that the "problem" of the Extra-Ordinary Rite will go away if they don't mention it or think about it. Rubbish! Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos is right: the Traditional rite should be available in every parish. I just hope that he has returned to Rome and is in deep consultation with the Pope about a successor to Cormac Murphy O'Connor. We need to know soon and we definitely need a strong man who will not put up with any negative petulance from our bishops.

The fact that Benedict is upset by all this is enough to make volcanic smoke come out of the top of my head, as you all know!!! Where's my Swiss Guard's pike?
[Edited by maryjos 6/22/2008 12:56 AM]

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The Anglican "problem"
To JaniceOKraus: I'm sorry I've only just seen your comments sandwiched between the plethora of news items on the News thread. The Anglican communion [as it's called] is already in dire straits and has not been a real "communion" for many, many years. At the "high end" there are the Anglo Catholics, whose style of worship is almost more Catholic than Catholic. And at the other extreme there are the evangelicals, who have plain altars and whose clergy do not wear vestments or observe the colours of the liturgical year. Now they have the added embarrassment of women bishops. This is already allowed in the Episcopal Church in the USA - the US form of Anglicanism - and the Synod in England has just voted for it. Now we may, indeed, see loads of traditional Anglicans knocking on Rome's door. But I agree with you. The reasons for becoming a Catholic are many and they don't include running away from what you don't agree with.
In order to become a Catholic, in truth and honesty, a person must believe in the Real Presence at the Eucharist and in the Apostolic Succession, which means accepting the authority of the Pope. There are other things as well - including honouring Our Blessed Lady and all the saints. This all means accepting the Credo. The sticky point is that some high Anglicans DO believe in the Real Presence in their own church - which, of course, is false.
Any Anglicans who now doubt the truth of their church would, I'm sure, be welcomed into the Catholic Church, but they must come to Rome for the right and positive reasons.
Hope we can continue discussions on this thread!
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Paul VI
Once more I've decided to reply to JaniceOKraus here, because her comment on Paul VI was completely swamped on the News thread. There was an excellent article on Paul VI in the Catholic Herald [August 1st]. The writer extols this pope's virtues and, although he mentions the fact that liberties were taken with the liturgy after the 1970 Missal was issued, he does not criticise Paul VI for allowing it to happen - right under his nose, as it were. My criticism is that Paul VI simply did not monitor the results of Vatican II strongly at all.

YetI have to admire Paul VI for "Humanae Vitae", which proved to be so prophetic.It solidified Church teaching on the sanctity of life and showed that the papal commission, which had been debating the issue of artificial contraception, was wrong. Sadly, many Catholics ignored the re-inforcement of Church teaching in this encyclical and diseases [both venereal and cancer or cancer-related] have become rife, to say nothing of the lack of respect towards women that is now commonplace. It is also well known that the "morning after" pill is an abortifacient, as is the so-called "contraceptive" pill....and the IUD, of course.
Paul VI lived for ten years after that encyclical; he never wrote another one.
For me, personally, Paul VI has a special place, because he's the only pope I have seen in person apart from our present Holy Father.
Any more comments on Paul VI?
[Edited by maryjos 8/8/2008 8:29 PM]

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First, just to point out here that I posted the Catholic Herald article on Paul VI in NOTABLES on August 1, the day it appeared online.

As I commented to Benefan, who earlier today posted John Allen's excellent appreciation of the Servant of God Paul VI, the very choice of articles - positive, as they should be - that we have posted about Paul VI is in itself the best comment one can make about a Pope who may finally be getting the historical hearing he deserves. Not enough, but at least a beginning. [BTW, those who wish it may post contrary articles if they have any to share. After all, there are bound to be formal oppositors to anyone who is undergoing a process towards beatification.]

I have mentioned in the NEWS ABOUT BENEDICT pages the many articles - at least six good ones - that L'Osservatore Romano published in connection with the 30th anniversary of Paul VI's death. I just have not had the time to translate them, except the main one, but I will, in time, because they are not 'news' of a perishable nature.

I have also been thinking it is time to open a section on OTHER POPES (besides the Servant of God John Paul II), for the simple reason that the Servants of God Pius XII, Paul VI and John Paul I are all in the process of beatification, and Blessed John XXIII is on the path to canonization.

Many of our members are too young to have more than the faintest knowledge of - or interest in - the Popes that preceded JP-II. But the amount of historical documentation and biographical research that is coming to light about these other 20th-century Popes is increasingly impressive.

I find that a look at their Pontificates and the specific problems they had to face helps to give me a better and more informed appreciation - if any more were needed - of the task that Benedict XVI has to deal with daily and in the long term, and of the way he has been doing it.


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